Case · 1970s
Zodiac, TRW and California USOs
Rosenberger, Mary Elliot, and Navy underwater sensors
When Zodiac trended, Hume went back to Forbidden Science 5. Vallée's 'Jerry Rosenberg at IDA' is, he argues, Jerry Rosenberger — TRW 1974, IDA 2001, Navy underwater detection. Combined with Eric Davis on maritime recoveries and 'Mary Elliot / MEE of TRW', Hume asks whether Zodiac was tracking USOs off California. He also slots 1970s KH-9 imagery and Moon Dust at WPAFB into a Zodiac rather than Moon Dust timeframe.
Findings
Each line is tagged as a FOIA outcome, something someone told Hume, open literature, a leak, or Hume's own reading. Do not treat the last as a document.
- 01Hume's reading
Name correction: Rosenberg → Rosenberger; career is underwater sensors, not generic aerospace.
- 02Hume's reading
Davis's maritime-recovery claim may source to MEE/Mary Elliot of TRW (alleged).
- 03Hume's reading
KH-9 object: Hume prefers Zodiac over Moon Dust on dating.
- 04Hume's reading
Spielberg CE3K crates, in Hume's reading, already said TRW (Zodiac) and Lockheed (Ryder) in 1977.
- 05Hume's reading
Grusch/NASIC: Moon Dust and Zodiac files would sit under FMP/FME at Wright-Patterson.
Files
Forbidden Science 5 — Zodiac names (Rosenberger / Elliot)
Hume identifies Vallée's 'Jerry Rosenberg, currently at IDA' as Jerry Rosenberger (TRW 1974, IDA 2001, Navy underwater sensors) and flags Mary Elliot / MEE of TRW as Davis's Zodiac source.
Open record
NRO KH-9 Keyhole image of an unidentified object
Hume: likely the 1970s imagery Moon Dust at Wright-Patterson was interested in, but the timeframe better fits Zodiac. Both images 'very underwhelming' in his view.
Open record
DoD Foreign Materiel Program (FMP / FMA / FME) — 8-page doc
MOD would not release FVEY FMP UFO-related material. Hume's analytic claim: crash-retrieval files sit under NASIC FMP/FME at Wright-Patterson, possibly in the 'Ballroom', covering Moon Dust and Zodiac.
Open record
Names
Jerry Rosenberger
TRW, 1974
Hume corrects Vallée Forbidden Science 5: the Zodiac participant listed as 'Jerry Rosenberg, currently at IDA' is Jerry Rosenberger, at IDA in 2001 and TRW in 1974, working Navy underwater detection. That career is Hume's hinge for Zodiac-as-USO-tracker.
Mary Elliot
TRW
Eric Davis's most detailed public comments on 'Mary Elliot (real name?)' of the TRW & Zodiac story, per Hume. Hume treats MEE as the possible source for Davis's claim that many recoveries were maritime.
David Grusch
UAP whistleblower
On Rogan, said CIA gave 1950s UFO pieces to LMSSC — Hume's proposed destination for the missing Lundahl fragment. Also described FMA/FME under DoD FMP as off-books umbrellas and said crash-retrieval files sit at NASIC.
Jacques Vallée
Scientist
Source for Lundahl's 1989 fragment remark and for Zodiac names in Forbidden Science 5. FS4 also has Rockefeller telling Vallée that Detlev Bronk wrote a disclosure-impact paper.
Dr. Eric Davis
Physicist
Said many recoveries were maritime. Hume asks whether the source is MEE of TRW and whether Zodiac was tracking USOs off California in the 1970s.
Agencies
Source posts
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- 2026-02-04
I think its a spelling mistake & it's Jerry Rosenberger who was at IDA in 2001 & at TRW in 1974. He worked mostly on US Navy underwater detection/sensors