Case · 1982–1989
CIA DS&T UFO programs after Blue Book
Evans Hineman on the record, files still inside
R. Evans Hineman, CIA Deputy Director for Science & Technology 1982–89, acknowledged to Hume involvement in UFO programs in the 1980s. Hume's political demand: release those DS&T files. He has asked whether AARO or ODNI investigators have interviewed Hineman, Gaffney, Panetta and BRI. He also ties Hineman's 1989 exit to shutdown of a Lockheed Chatsworth CAT-3 store.
Findings
Each line is tagged as a FOIA outcome, something someone told Hume, open literature, a leak, or Hume's own reading. Do not treat the last as a document.
- 01On the record
Living DDS&T, on the record, post-Blue Book UFO program involvement.
- 02FOIA outcome
No corresponding document release in PURSUE tranches Hume has seen.
- 03Hume's reading
Hume: 'Until you see files addressing [Ramey and Hineman] you are no closer to the truth than 2017.'
- 04Hume's reading
Linked hypothesis: Chatsworth CAT-3 hazardous store holding UFO materials closed when Hineman left, 1989.
Files
CIA DS&T UFO programs, 1980s — Hineman acknowledgement
No document release. Hineman acknowledged involvement in UFO programs after Blue Book. After a mix-up was clarified he stopped answering; Hume later said mentioning whistleblower protections and AARO was a mistake. Hume: until those files appear, 'you are no closer to the truth than 2017.'
Open record
EPA FOIA — Lockheed California hazardous materials / CAT-3 store
EPA: no records. Pointed Hume to California GeoTracker (business name LOCKHEED). Hume notes Rye Canyon closed 1995 and a FUDS case for joint Navy & LMSC (later LMSSC). He did not have time to mine the whole dump.
Open record
Names
RG Hume
Independent FOIA researcher
UK researcher who files FOI/FOIA against MOD, DSTL, AARO, NNSA, DOE, FBI, CIA-adjacent holdings, EPA, CBP and police. Publishes as @rgh_ufos. Has said his name is on requests, has appeared in BBC and Mail Online, and was cited by Jesse Michels for the NNSA Starfish Prime response.
R. Evans Hineman
CIA Deputy Director for Science & Technology, 1982–1989
Hume got Hineman on record acknowledging involvement in UFO programs in the 1980s — after Blue Book. Hume's standing demand: release the CIA DS&T UFO program files from that decade. He has urged AARO and later declassification tranches to interview him.
Glenn Gaffney
CIA
Named in the AAWSAP-era story of CIA stopping a Lockheed remnant transfer to BAASS. Hume connects this to Kona Blue, Dugway interest, and later LMSSC storage of 1950s CIA pieces.
Leon Panetta
Former CIA Director
Hume asked whether ODNI UAP investigators spoke with Panetta, Hineman, Gaffney and BRI — all still alive — and if those interviews will be public.
Agencies
Source posts
Public posts by @rgh_ufos. Open may be blocked inside this preview — copy the URL and paste it in a new tab.
- 2026-08-01
He acknowledge to me involvement in UFO programs in the 80s, this is after PBB closed.