Case · 1952–1989–present
Art Lundahl's 1952 fragment, IBM and LMSSC
AARO could not find the piece Grusch says CIA gave to Lockheed
Lundahl told Vallée in 1989 he had a fragment shot off a UFO in the 1952 DC flap, analysed at IBM. Hume names Marcel Vogel among IBM examiners. AARO hunted it for Historic Report Part 1 and failed. Grusch said CIA gave 1950s pieces to LMSSC — Hume's explanation for the empty locker: it left CIA after IBM and sits in a Lockheed unacknowledged SAP store.
Findings
Each line is tagged as a FOIA outcome, something someone told Hume, open literature, a leak, or Hume's own reading. Do not treat the last as a document.
- 01On the record
Primary provenance: Lundahl → Vallée, 1989.
- 02Hume's reading
IBM analysis; Vogel named as examiner, later known for crystal work.
- 03Hume's reading
AARO historic search: interested, not located. Hume suggests FOIA'ing AARO working papers now Lundahl is dead.
- 04Hume's reading
Grusch/Rogan: CIA 1950s pieces to LMSSC. Hume: that is why AARO missed it — WUSAP storage, not a CIA vault.
Files
Lundahl 1952 DC-flap fragment — IBM analysis trail
AARO interested, could not locate the piece. Hume's reconstruction: CIA NPIC → IBM (Vogel et al.) → CIA 1950s pieces to LMSSC WUSAP storage.
Open record
AARO Historic Report working file — Art Lundahl
Suggested FOIA, not known to have been filed/released.
Open record
Names
Arthur C. Lundahl
Founding director, CIA NPIC
Told Jacques Vallée in 1989 that he possessed a fragment shot off a UFO during the 1952 Washington, D.C. flap and that IBM analysed it. AARO later looked for the piece for its historic report and could not locate it. Hume argues CIA then passed 1950s fragments to LMSSC, which is why AARO came up empty.
Dr. Marcel Vogel
IBM research chemist
Named by Hume as one of the people who examined UFO pieces at IBM for the CIA. Later-life crystal work is flagged by Hume as a curious coda, not as evidence.
David Grusch
UAP whistleblower
On Rogan, said CIA gave 1950s UFO pieces to LMSSC — Hume's proposed destination for the missing Lundahl fragment. Also described FMA/FME under DoD FMP as off-books umbrellas and said crash-retrieval files sit at NASIC.
Jacques Vallée
Scientist
Source for Lundahl's 1989 fragment remark and for Zodiac names in Forbidden Science 5. FS4 also has Rockefeller telling Vallée that Detlev Bronk wrote a disclosure-impact paper.
Agencies
Source posts
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- 2026-08-28
Good chance that's why AARO couldn't find the 1952 Art Lundahl piece because that's where it ended up after IBM looked at it. In a WUSAP at LMSSC storage